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lakatz · Nov 13, 2007, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

hey there Gaile, sorry to barge in your conversation like this but you forgot Artist number 3 who made an entire 3D sculpture that looks perfect. no offence to the Grand Prize winner, the holiday spirit are all there in every piece submitted, everyone is enjoying the contest, but when an entry stands out like the one in the link and did not get the grand prize.... people will question.

solutions: make them go under category next time, sculpture, costume, wallpaper (screenshot), drawing, painting.. songs, poem, story....

Hi Pumpkin pie...

Sorry to barge on in your barging in on Gaile's conversation, but...

Art is probably the most subjective area of interest to 'judge'. Judges of art are a lot like the three blind people in the Chinese fable describing an elephant based on touch. The three blind people each touched different parts of the elephant, leg, tail and trunk, and each gave a totally different description, and each description, though different, was correct.

I understand you think that's an outstanding sculpture, but I'm not as impressed with it as you are. I think it deserves honorable mention because of the amount of work and attention to detail that went into it, but all that work doesn't make it "art" to me. It's way too cutesy for my taste, and I see it as more craft than art.

And that's what I'm talking about. Different strokes for different folks. Just because the judges have different tastes and different approaches to judging than you doesn't make them wrong and you right... and it doesn't make them right and you wrong either.

TwinRaven · Nov 13, 2007, 11:04 PM // 23:04

I'm thinking about entering, but I'm still kinda bumming about not seeing my Design-a-Weapon entry in game yet....6 months! I'm not sure I'll see it at all...I get a little miffed thinking they can get a hat in game in weeks, yet 1/2 a year later and only what...three weapons in game? I keep hoping they will put them in in some update (Sorrow's Furnace style) but I'm getting discouraged. The T-shirt, character slot and pins were cool and all...but the REAL prize is seeing your work in game. If a hat makes it in game from a contest before those weapons do...I'm wondering why...<end fussiness>

Gaile Gray · Nov 13, 2007, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by TwinRaven

I'm thinking about entering, but I'm still kinda bumming about not seeing my Design-a-Weapon entry in game yet....6 months! I'm not sure I'll see it at all...I get a little miffed thinking they can get a hat in game in weeks, yet 1/2 a year later and only what...three weapons in game? I keep hoping they will put them in in some update (Sorrow's Furnace style) but I'm getting discouraged. The T-shirt, character slot and pins were cool and all...but the REAL prize is seeing your work in game. If a hat makes it in game from a contest before those weapons do...I'm wondering why...<end fussiness>

As I have said, repeatedly, the items will be added. We never gave a timeline, with intent, because we knew we'd be working nose down on the BMP plus other things as well, and in addition we wanted to see if we could do a bit more than simply throw them all into the game.

I've talked to John, and we anticipate that these items will start appearing after Wintersday.

TwinRaven · Nov 14, 2007, 01:16 AM // 01:16

^^Thanks, Gaile...I had a hard time finding any specifics. This is the only quote I could find: "The Design-A-Weapon winners are not yet in the game. It's really that simple, and it's exactly as we said in the contest information. The weapons will be added, and we have some fun ideas for that, so look for that in the future." -G.G.

...I'm mid-migraine, so forgive the whiny tone..."After Winters Day"....good enough answer for me (was feeling sad and forgotten)...As for mentioned repeatedly....sorry I didn't see where. *frantically searches for info on how to remove both feet from mouth* (didn't realize others were fussy before me)....You know I still love you right? In a platonic, never-met-you, but appreciate what you do kind of way...*I needed a hug*...agree completely with the "not heaping them all in at once" btw...what good is a buffet if you only get one visit?

Gaile Gray · Nov 14, 2007, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by TwinRaven

^^Thanks, Gaile...I had a hard time finding any specifics. This is the only quote I could find: "The Design-A-Weapon winners are not yet in the game. It's really that simple, and it's exactly as we said in the contest information. The weapons will be added, and we have some fun ideas for that, so look for that in the future." -G.G.

...I'm mid-migraine, so forgive the whiny tone..."After Winters Day"....good enough answer for me (was feeling sad and forgotten)...As for mentioned repeatedly....sorry I didn't see where. *frantically searches for info on how to remove both feet from mouth* (didn't realize others were fussy before me)....You know I still love you right? In a platonic, never-met-you, but appreciate what you do kind of way...*I needed a hug*...agree completely with the "not heaping them all in at once" btw...what good is a buffet if you only get one visit?

Yes, TR, all is well between us.

I've been hit with the question in nearly every in-game chat, so I guess my comment about "answering repeatedly" is referring to posts, wiki pages, and those visits, too. And yep, I do appreciate they are not always logged, and are even less likely to include such references in a synopsis, so I'm sorry if you've missed earlier comments, and I think we're good to now, right? *passes Cookies of Friendship platter*

KiyaKoreena · Nov 14, 2007, 04:43 AM // 04:43

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

hey there Gaile, sorry to barge in your conversation like this but you forgot Artist number 3 who made an entire 3D sculpture that looks perfect. no offence to the Grand Prize winner, the holiday spirit are all there in every piece submitted, everyone is enjoying the contest, but when an entry stands out like the one in the link and did not get the grand prize.... people will question.

Sheer effort and time required probably added bonus points, that could be why. Kinda shows a massive dedication to producing an awesome work in homage. But hey, I shouldnt really be pointing things like that out.

Must go find where my kids hid the pencils....

pumpkin pie · Nov 14, 2007, 06:53 AM // 06:53

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Originally Posted by lakatz

Hi Pumpkin pie...

Sorry to barge on in your barging in on Gaile's conversation, but...

Art is probably the most subjective area of interest to 'judge'. Judges of art are a lot like the three blind people in the Chinese fable describing an elephant based on touch. The three blind people each touched different parts of the elephant, leg, tail and trunk, and each gave a totally different description, and each description, though different, was correct.

I understand you think that's an outstanding sculpture, but I'm not as impressed with it as you are. I think it deserves honorable mention because of the amount of work and attention to detail that went into it, but all that work doesn't make it "art" to me. It's way too cutesy for my taste, and I see it as more craft than art.

And that's what I'm talking about. Different strokes for different folks. Just because the judges have different tastes and different approaches to judging than you doesn't make them wrong and you right... and it doesn't make them right and you wrong either.

sorry, this will be my last busy body post regarding this matter, its not that important, and I don't want to get ban from this forum

but i like to politely ask your opinion,

May ectos drop on you everyday.

lakatz · Nov 14, 2007, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

sorry, this will be my last busy body post regarding this matter, its not that important, and I don't want to get ban from this forum

but i like to politely ask your opinion,

May ectos drop on you everyday.

I won't compare one quarter of one art project to the whole of another. I really like that the whole family dressed as GW characters for Halloween. The work that went into that was huge. Although I would love to know from the artist where she found all those adornments for the dervish costume (it looks like she had to shop many places), Gwen was actually my favorite of the four costumes.

And maybe I'd better be more clear about the sculpture you like so much. I like it too. It's just not the one I would have picked for grand prize myself. To be absolutely honest, there's one anatomical thing in that sculpture that makes it difficult for me to look at it because I sooooo want to change it, and that's wrong, just plain wrong.

Besides that, I personally won't question and have no problem with the judges' choices because of the reasons I cited before.

However, that said, some of my favorites are the Mad King Thorn sculpture, all of the pumpkin carvings (one of those stands out in particular for me), a few of the drawings and, for the sheer cleverness of it, the pumpkin made of the different colored GW skill icons.

I can't see why anyone would want to ban you from this forum and certainly hope no one else can see a reason because I do enjoy your presence here. Thank you for the wonderful blessing... right backatcha.

Mordakai · Nov 14, 2007, 04:12 PM // 16:12

pumpkin, are you implying that the costume work is less than a sculpture?

Keep in mind, 4 separate costumes!

(Both are good, only one could win)

Darksun · Nov 14, 2007, 07:24 PM // 19:24

Anyone who implies that making a good costume requires no artistic talent or hard work is in lala land where everything is made in 5 minutes and money grows on trees.

Anyways, Gaile does the Wintersday Hat have to be a "Hat" or can it be like the Freezie Crown & Mummy mask?

BenjZee · Nov 14, 2007, 09:19 PM // 21:19

i beleive the crown and mask count as "Hats"...well the festival hat maker makes them

Darksun · Nov 14, 2007, 10:56 PM // 22:56

I know the count as hats in-game I just want to make sure that ANET isn't limiting it for the sake of clipping logistics (all the examples on the site are hat/horn things)

KiyaKoreena · Nov 15, 2007, 12:54 AM // 00:54

Hey Pumpkin, wrong armor.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Image...an_armor_m.jpg

At least compare the proper things.

Lakatz, I posted some details of the work that went into them here http://hw2007.kirins.net/details/

Personette · Nov 15, 2007, 01:05 AM // 01:05

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Originally Posted by lakatz

To be absolutely honest, there's one anatomical thing in that sculpture that makes it difficult for me to look at it because I sooooo want to change it, and that's wrong, just plain wrong.

Me too. I think that's why I never cottoned on to that sculpture. Plus it reminds me of gradeschool art classes in a bad way.

obastable · Nov 15, 2007, 01:42 AM // 01:42

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Originally Posted by lakatz

To be absolutely honest, there's one anatomical thing in that sculpture that makes it difficult for me to look at it because I sooooo want to change it, and that's wrong, just plain wrong.

You mean the err... things... on the chest that aren't pointing in similar directions?

I noticed that, too.

lakatz · Nov 15, 2007, 04:17 AM // 04:17

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Originally Posted by KiyaKoreena

Lakatz, I posted some details of the work that went into them here http://hw2007.kirins.net/details/

Thank you. I found my answer there, and I'm surprised.

The flail balls were made: styrofoam ball wrapped in duct tape. Spikes were made of salt dough and baked in the toaster oven. These were superglued to the balls and then it was sprayed with the metal hammered finish spray-paint. Superglue does not attach well to duct tape so care had to be taken with them.

It never dawned on me that you'd made them. I imagined you'd had to shop very cleverly over the internet. Good job! Congrats!

Thank you Obastacle for the graphic description... you read my mind?

Master Ketsu · Nov 16, 2007, 12:18 AM // 00:18

Does anyone know if it is ok if we know how to use 3DS max and use it ?

I dont like 2D.

Vilaptca · Nov 16, 2007, 12:28 AM // 00:28

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Originally Posted by Master Ketsu

Does anyone know if it is ok if we know how to use 3DS max and use it ?

I dont like 2D.

I believe its the idea they are looking for, so how you represent that idea is up to you. Crayons, photoshop, paint....its all up to you.

Count to Potato · Nov 16, 2007, 12:30 AM // 00:30

ITS DISCRIMINATING AGAINST PPL WHO CAN'T DRAW CIRCLES RIGHT (Like Me) how bout make a contest like..... i dunno, but only artists or ppl who can dress up win....

Master Ketsu · Nov 16, 2007, 01:25 AM // 01:25

Use photoshop for circles ?